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This interview includes references to abuse in state care and heavy drinking around children. It may bring back traumatic memories for some listeners. Please seek help if you need it at any point.

Chapter 1

Growing up

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We used to go up to all the old fullas and say “hey, can I come and drink by you and I’ll buy yous a drink, can you say if the police come in that we are with you, that you’re my guardian.
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Chapter 2

Having children

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With other children, I could be nice to them, speak nicely to them. But with my own, I just sort of had this anger inside of me.
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Chapter 3

My spiritual journey

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I didn't want to lose my children. I wanted to change my ways. I wanted to treat them nicely. I wanted to talk to them in love. I wanted to get rid of all this anger and hate I had for myself.
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Chapter 4

Seeing my children live a better life

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[I had] to look inside myself and say ‘what’s wrong with you? It's not everyone else around you’. Because that’s what I was doing, taking my whole life experience [and] all the hurt out on the people around me, the ones that loved me the most. The ones that I loved the most, I hurt the most.

I can see how it can be passed down […] generation to generation […] We might not have seen these problems later [so] now I see myself reaching out to my children and asking them if they need help [with their drinking].
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Chapter 5

Helping others

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I have seen a lot of committed people wanting change for the same reasons I wanted to change: for their families. For their children. For a better life. For a better outcome.
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